Interview with mayor Wolfgang Pletz, Lamspringe, 2014 about the little-known history of the “Cloister Garden” as a “Thingstätte” built by the Nazis in 1936.

Wolfgang Pletz: The park is already something beautiful. We are happy to have it. Because it’s very nice for the children. They can play football or whatever they want without being scared. My name is Wolfgang Pletz, the mayor of the town of Lamspringe. We are standing in a very historical place of Lamspringe. It’s a relic of the Nazi era in Germany and Lamspringe. This place was built with the Nazis and for the Nazis.

I did historical research 25 years ago and published it locally. I have blacked out known names from the original Nazi-era documents because some were still alive at that time and I was not interested in denouncing them. My point was to show what a reign of terror that was and that something like that must not happen again. 

What percentage of Lamspring’s population would know that this was a Nazi ‘consecration site’? I would say if it’s 10 percent, that would be a lot. I don’t think most of them even know what that was. They all know this place, they know the cross fountain and these big chestnuts, because everybody was here collecting chestnuts as a child. But about Nazi marches here in 1936, probably only the older people and some historically knowledgeable people would know, but the majority would not know about it. 

If you go down 30 meters from here, you can see the dimensions. From the inner place to the very outside, we had a little over 40 meters. This whole area was the spectator stand. 

You didn’t have to change much at all by building it, you had to do a little bit of modeling and tuning, and then it was done. 

You can see here a sketch of that time and how the handover was. Here it says “traffic regulation”, “parking”, “parade”, who is in charge, “accommodation of the stand quarters”, “medical service”, “decoration of the place”. Every house had to show a Nazi flag, and so everything was planned down to the smallest detail.  

Interview with Felix Saul, City Chronicler, Bad Schmiedeberg 2015 about the history of the “Thingstätte” built by the Nazis in 1934.

My name is Felix Saul, I am the town chronicler in Bad Schmiedeberg and I have been keeping the chronicle as a volunteer for more than 40 years. The architect of the Thingplatz was Ludwig Moshamer. The Moshamer family has provided me with drawings of the Thingplatz. The Thingplatz Bad Schmiedeberg was inaugurated on Sept 16th, 1934. There were two labor service departments in the town at that time, which started work on the south-western edge of the town near a water tower built in 1908. The area is forested today, but it used to be without trees. It sloped from south to north with a view of Bad Schmiedeberg. It was to be a facility with 2,100 seats and a front area with room for 7,000 people. The measurements in the documents show the size of the Thingstätte, although we are not aware that there would have been a historic Germanic Thing at this site in earlier times. Apart from the inauguration ceremony of September 1934, no other performances or other events are known. After 1945, the benches were dismantled and burned because Schmiedeberg had to accommodate about 10,000 refugees. With only 3000 inhabitants, firing and catering were therefore priorities. Later, nature reclaimed the site and it is no longer used in any way. 

At the end of this cornfield were the stages and there, where the terrain rises, were the rows of seats up to the height of this small water tower. Such a Thing was used for theatrical events in the spirit of the Nazi era, to present something to the people. One created also parking lots for buses, passenger cars were not as common as today. One could travel from Leipzig, 50km away, or Halle, 60km away, by bus or via the railroad connection of Bad Schmiedeberg. One wanted to create a place in the Central German area, to introduce the “German citizen” to allegedly Germanic cultural assets. 

If you talk to the older citizens of the town, Bad Schmiedeberg has always been a bit conservative. There was no majorly present NSDAP that would have been leading here. Bad Schmiedeberg was more German-national, it was and still is a dreamy little spa town, always small-town, quiet and conservative.

I was born in 1949. In the early 1950s, we used the site as an off-road playground because those stage mounds and concrete supports were still visible, but without the slatted frames to sit on. It has also been used by the school as an off-road playground, but without ambitions to build an open-air stage there again. In 1953, plans were made by the town to use the former Thingstätte as an open-air stage, but it never came to pass. It then fell into oblivion.

I have over 500 picture postcards of Bad Schmiedeberg. One shows the Thingstätte at the time of its completion. There are no official or private photo documents or postcards of the inauguration. Nothing has been published in the local press of the time either.

I think they did a purge in the town archives in 1945 and all documents from 1933 to 1945 were either destroyed or probably had to be turned in. They also did not reappear in the district archives after the fall of communism. I rather think that destruction of the documents as well as the newspapers took place because one wanted to have nothing more to do with it. 

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Interview with Felix Saul
Chronicler of the City of Bad Schmiedeberg
2015

Interview with Thomas Binder, Archive of the city of Kamenz, 2015 about the history of the “Hutbergbühne” as a “Thingstätte” built by the Nazis in 1935.

My name is Thomas Binder, I have been the city archivist here in Kamenz since 2006. Up here on the Hutberg a memorial was planned for the fallen of the 1st World War, which was the primary goal in 1933. When the idea of the Thingplätze came up in the summer, from the Reichskulturkammer, Kamenz also applied to create such a place. Thus, both projects ran in parallel. The groundbreaking ceremony took place in the spring of 1934 and construction work began. The construction trades were carried out by Kamenz companies, which were supported by the Reich Labor Service. The Reich Labor Service was housed nearby and was to receive a smaller memorial.

In the spring of 1935, the Thingplatz and memorial, which is for the most part no longer visible today, were to be opened to the public at this site. There were the usual plays already prepared for Thingstätten that were performed here, but there were also special plays that dealt directly with Kamenz. For example, the forest festival was a topic in connection with the legendary gathering of the Hussites. These once lived in the Kamenz forest. According to legend, the Germanic children appeased the Slavic invading armies with their white robes and their flower wreaths. At that time, Kamenz was seen as the invasion point into the Wendei, into the Slavic language area. Therefore, the place was predestined for such a performance.

Mainly there were big mass performances. In the city archives of Kamenz, there are pictures that testify to this. Large numbers of staff were necessary to prepare these games. One can say, sometimes there were more people standing on the stage than spectators sitting there. 

It was certainly a phenomenon of the time. Many cities had applied for it. This Thingstätte was the first in Saxony. On the one hand, one could argue that there was already construction work on the Hutberg with the war memorial. The peculiarity that the site was located on a mountain and thus looked far out into the country, seemed ideal.

If you see postcards, photos, or film footage of the time, the forestation here was not yet so strong.

It was also about the ‘Aryan’ descent of the German people and especially in connection with the Sorbs, this place was predestined to be the first place in Saxony to inaugurate a Thingstätte. 

There are five pillars for each year of the First World War. 1914 to 1918. On these pillars were only the respective years, crowned by a small metal pyramid. At the foot of each column was a fire bowl, which was lit at night and thus illuminated the columns.

Immediately after 1945, the open-air stage found its place in the cultural life of the town, especially for performances of musical events. After 1989, many domestic musical groups were joined by some from abroad. The open-air stage was used for cultural events without any political considerations.  

Interview with Thomas Binder, Kamenz city archivist, 2015, at the Hutbergbühne.

Interview with Lutz Walk, Arbeitskreis Stedingsehre, about the history and current use of the open-air stage in Bookholzberg-Ganderkesee near Oldenburg, which was built by the National Socialists as a Thing site.

My name is Lutz Walk, we dedicate ourselves to the problematic history of this site with a group of about 30 committed citizens from this region to enable a culture of critical remembrance. 

The origin of this site built by the Nazis is due to a historical event, the Battle of Altenesch in 1234, in which the Stedinger peasants, who settled along the Weser River, lost to the Archbishop of Bremen. They were devastatingly beaten, almost all the Stedinger people were exterminated. 

In total, about 230,00 people from this region were spectators at the performances on this stage. This huge stage for 10-12,000 spectators was built here on the hillside with a historical-looking “stage village”. It was an idealized village, as one imagined how the Stedinger might have lived. Against this backdrop, a mass spectacle now took place, with several hundred participants: amateur actors, but also professional actors. The Nazis were adept at integrating this spectacle into the Thing movement that emerged in the early 1930s. Later, the Nazis argued internally, whether this Germanic-oriented approach to the so-called Thingstätte was still appropriate, and the term “Thingstätte” did not exist for this place for very long. It was later renamed “Low German Cult Site” in memory of the historical contexts.

The function of this place had always remained the same. Only the naming and ideological assignment changed in the course of the 1930s. After the end of the Nazi reign of terror, in 1945, the English and Canadians came to the region as liberators and they first used this place variously for administrative purposes. It was on this stage that the first democratic mayor of Bookholzberg after the Second World War was proclaimed, by the Canadian occupying forces. In this respect, the postwar period for this place began with a positive event.

This place, owed as a memorial to a historical event, has several interwoven meanings. This makes dealing with this place very difficult. Today we see the green idyll. Nature has reclaimed much of the theater complex and this idyll naturally obscures some of what happened here, in the Third Reich.

We are standing here now on the so-called honorary tribune at the upper edge of the grandstand. The spectators came had the wide Stedinger Land in front of them and directly in front of them the stage village, in which then the action, the fight of the Stedinger, took place.

Today, one can only guess what impression this view made on the spectators. Here on this old, historical photo, on which there are still no trees, one sees that the landscape extends into infinity. You can still see the church tower, with the crowd of actors. There were probably over 300 actors and you can also see the bridge over the moat. This is where we are now and the whole village was the stage for this mass spectacle.

It was portrayed as one would imagine idealized, not historical, life in a Stedinger village. Also, the drawbridge, which is folded up here once, one can see here. It is preserved in its original state. This souvenir album served the contributors to preserve the memory, to the participation in a special event. It was not a matter of course that one could participate in such a special spectacle as a normal village citizen.

Waldbühne Berlin – Thingstätten project © Andrea Grützner
Waldbühne Berlin – Thingstätten project © Andrea Grützner
Waldbühne Berlin – Thingstätten project © Andrea Grützner
Outdoor area with fireplace and adjacent lake
Area of the former Thingstätte Prieros © Andrea Grützner
The former Nazi site borders directly on a lake
Area of the former Thingstätte Prieros © Andrea Grützner

Andrea Grützner born in Pirna, Germany, lives in Berlin and New York. She received her BA in Communication Design at HTWG Constance and her MA in Photography at Bielefeld University of Applied Sciences. Andrea Grützner was a member of the Waldbühne Berlin team, as well as travelling to Prieros in Brandenburg.

Andrea Grützner Website

Overgrown square in Pravdinsk (Friedland) – start of construction is not known
Pravdinsk (Friedland) – Thingstätten project © Konstantin Karchevskiy
Grounds of the former Thingstätte with today's Nazi memorial and the preserved grandstand of the open-air theater
Góra Swietej Anny (Annaberg) – Thingstätten project © Konstantin Karchevskiy
Sculpture made of stone as part of the Nazi memorial - German history of National Socialism
Góra Swietej Anny (Annaberg) – Thingstätten project © Konstantin Karchevskiy
Steps to the Amphitheater – Research Project on the Thing cult of National Socialism – Reszel (Rößel), East Prussia
Reszel (Rößel) – Thingstätten project © Konstantin Karchevskiy
Rows of benches and the stage with newly built roofing - buildings of National Socialism
Sowetsk (Tilsit) – Thingstätten project © Konstantin Karchevskiy
Tribune of the former open-air theater - history of theater of National Socialism - Sowetsk (Tilsit), East Prussia
Sowetsk (Tilsit) – Thingstätten project © Konstantin Karchevskiy
Overgrown steps to the National Socialist open-air stage – cultural history
Krylovo (Nordenburg) – Thingstätten project © Konstantin Karchevskiy ca. 2015

Konstantin Karchevskiy born in Russia, lives in Kaliningrad. Graduated from Moscow State University in 1989, in geography science. Konstantin Karchevskiy gracefully shared his collection of former East Prussian Thingstätte for this project.

Konstantin Karchevskiy Website

View from the benches to the stage of the Thingstätte Heidelberg
Thingstätte Heidelberg © Felix Nürmberger
Elaborate construction of the NS open-air stage in Heidelberg
Thingstätte Heidelberg © Felix Nürmberger
Forest area with preserved steps of the former amphitheater in the background
Thingstätte Stolzenau © Felix Nürmberger
Passau - the slope of the former national socialist Thingstätte is still visible on the site today. Thing site, culture of remembrance, interdisciplinary research project, photography, University of Applied Science Bielefeld
Thingstätte Passau © Felix Nürmberger
Eichstätt - today partially decayed National Socialist Thingstätte, National Socialist architecture, theatre, cultural heritage
Thingstätte Eichstätt © Felix Nürmberger
Bad Windsheim – surrounding of the former Thingstätte at the Weinturm, culture of remembrance, interdisciplinary research project, University of Applied Science Bielefeld
Thingstätte in Bad Windsheim © Felix Nürmberger
Bad Windsheim – surrounding of the former Thingstätte at the Weinturm, culture of remembrance, interdisciplinary research project, University of Applied Science Bielefeld
Thingstätte in Bad Windsheim © Felix Nürmberger

Felix Nürmberger, born in Hof, Germany, lives in Munich. He received his BA in Photography, Graphic Design and Film from Nuremberg University and his MA in Photography from Bielefeld University of Applied Sciences. Felix Nürmberger travelled the southern route to Bavaria and Baden-Württemberg, and Stolzenau in Lower Saxony.

Felix Nürmberger Website

Compilation of erratic blocks on the Landtagsplatz Hösseringen – Interdisciplinary photography and research project
Thingstätten project – Hösseringen © Erica Shires
Erratic blocks arranged in a circle with a huge stone in the center – Thingstätten project am Landtagsplatz Hösseringen
Thingstätten project – Hösseringen © Erica Shires
Steps to the Thingstätte of Holzminden in the city park. The Thing movement is being reappraised as part of an art and science project at Bielefeld University of Applied Sciences.
Thingstätte Holzminden © Erica Shires
Buildings of the former Ordensburg Vogelsang – National Socialist buildings
NS-Documentation Center Vogelsang IP © Erica Shires
Illuminated grandstand of the Waldbühne Northeim – former architecture of National Socialism
Waldbühne Northeim – Thingstätten project © Erica Shires
Bookseller Günther Spannaus on the grandstand of the Waldbühne Northeim
Waldbühne Northeim – Bookseller Günther Spannaus © Erica Shires
Bückeberg - The middle path of the festival site is still visible in the landscape. Cultural heritage, National Socialist architecture, thing site
Thingstätte Bückeberg © Erica Shires
Bückeberg - Architectural remains of the thing site built for the Reichserntedankfest 1933 based on a design by architect Albert Speer. Cultural heritage, National Socialist architecture, Reichsthingplatz, Albert Speer
Thingstätte Bückeberg © Erica Shires
Historical article about the opening of the Thingstätte in 1936
Thingplatz Lamspringe © Erica Shires
View of the grandstand of the former Nazi theater – Mülheim an der Ruhr and its cultural history
Mülheim an der Ruhr – Thingstätten project © Erica Shires
Benches for the audience of the amphitheater with nature and red bus in the background
Mülheim an der Ruhr – Thingstätten project © Erica Shires

Erica Shires was born in Detroit, Michigan, USA and lives in New York City. She received her BFA in Media Arts / Art History from Pratt Institute and her Digital Interdisciplinary MFA from CUNY. Erica Shires traveled to the Thingstätten in Lower Saxony and North Rhine–Westphalia, contributing film and photographs of Mülheim, Hösseringen, Northeim, Herchen and Lamspringe.

Erica Shires Website

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